Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective
Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land
by Ulf Erlingsson. The author
puts forward the case that Plato based the geographic description of
Atlantis on Ireland. The Atlantean capital can be connected with Tara
and the temples of Poseidon and the ancestors match up well with Newgrange
- The Location of Atlantis
- The Hypothesis
- The Details in Critias
- Testing the Hypothesis
- The Sunken Island
- A Red Substance
- A Paradox
- A Long Shot
- A Final Thought
- To Think Free is Great
- The Neolithic (R)evolution
- The American Connection
- Ale’s Stones
Opening section of Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective © Ulf Erlingsson
The Location of Atlantis:
A seemingly endless stream of announcements
reaches us through the news, with claims that
Atlantis has been found. Routinely, other scholars
vehemently insist that Plato was just making the whole
Nobody by his right mind is denying that part of
Plato’s story about Atlantis is fiction. The question is
rather if all of it is false, or if some of it is true. We
should not throw out the baby with the bathing water.
This book is an attempt at permanently settling the
question of whether the geographic description of
Atlantis was based on a real place. The answer is a
resounding yes. Beyond reasonable doubt, Plato based
the geographic description on Ireland.
However, that does not automatically mean that Ireland
politically once was the way Plato described
Atlantis. That could be part of the fiction. Extracting the
truth from the fiction is a laborious task, if not impossible,
around which subsequent chapters speculate.
What are our sources? The complete story about
Atlantis is to be found in two dialogues by Plato, written
around 360 to 347 BC: Timaeus and Critias. Plato is the
only original source that mentions Atlantis.
Plato’s character in the dialogue (Critias, in real life an
older relative of his) is supposed to give Socrates a
description of an ideal city-state. As point of origin he
takes a true story that, so he claims, was told to him by
his grandfather, whose father in turn heard it from the
famous statesman Solon, who had heard it from Egyptian
priests in Sais around 600 BC.
Sais, a city on the western Nile delta in Egypt, was at
that time at its zenith as a centre for foreign trade. This
was, as you understand, centuries before Alexander the
Great established Alexandria. The priests of Sais claimed
that their city was founded by the same people as Athens,
and had the same goddess, except they called their goddess
Neith rather than Athena.
In spite of this common history they naturally had a
different language, since Greece later had switched to an
Indo-European tongue. The original population of the
Aegean region may well have been derived from northernmost
Africa—the coast that was then called Libya.
Returning now to Solon’s visit in Sais, he was telling
the priests about all the oldest myths of Greece, including
the one about Deucalion’s deluge, when almost all of
humankind succumbed. One of the old priests replied in
these words (in Benjamin Joett’s translation):
-O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but
children, and there is not an old man among you.
Solon in return asked him what he meant.
-I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young;
there is no old opinion handed down among you by
ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age.
And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be
again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many
causes; the greatest have been brought about by the
agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by
innumerable other causes.
Thereafter he said that the myth about Phaëthon was
based on a real event, a disaster, even though it now had
the form of a myth. In the Greek myth Phaëthon, the
son of Helios, wanted to prove that he was the son of the
sun, by driving his chariot over the sky one day.
However, he could not control the horses; first, he came
too high and it got cold on Earth, then he came too low
and burnt the land. At that time, his father intervened
and destroyed him with a thunderbolt. He crashed in
the sea, and his sisters, the Heliads, cried over him.
Their tears turned into amber (amber is only found on
the shores of the North and Baltic Seas, incidentally).
The priest in Sais told Solon, that this myth is really
about a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens
around the earth, and a great conflagration of things on
the earth, which recurs after long intervals. When it happens,
those who live in the mountains or on dry, open
places are more exposed, than those who live by rivers or
at the shore. Those who lived in Sais had the river Nile
for such protection. When, on the other hand, the gods
inundate the earth with flash floods, the only survivors
in Greece are the shepherds on the mountains, he said,
while those who live in the cities, are carried out in the
sea by the water. The water in the river Nile rises from
below, he continued, and does not come flashing down
from above. For that reason the archives of Sais were the
The explanation of Phaëthon’s ride, and the words
about natural disasters, can serve as a litmus test. If they
reflect genuine knowledge, then parts of the tale may
indeed come from Egypt.
Based on my knowledge of geomorphology (the landscapes
and the processes that shape them), and from my
background of studying natural hazards, my impression is
that Plato’s text does reveal genuine knowledge of rare
natural disasters. Present-day natural hazard fears are typically
focused on earthquakes and hurricanes, in a global
perspective. However, the truth is, earthquakes rarely kill
anyone (it is the poorly constructed housing that is
lethal), and in a hurricane, it is the flooding that kills.
Finally, meteorites are hardly even on the radar screen
today, but they do pose the greatest danger in the very
long term, just as Plato wrote. So, that old text contains
grains of truth that go beyond even the present-day
Allow me to summarize the natural hazards. Inundations
can roughly be divided into flash floods, and
floods in which the river overflows its banks. The former
occur at or near where it is actually raining, when the
water cannot reach the rivers as fast as the rain is falling.
The latter may occur far from the rainfall, on the low and
flat portions of the river, and are caused by the water
being unable to flow out of a stretch of river as fast as it
flows into it. Overbank flow of this kind (desborde in
Spanish) is good for the soil, and the risk of fatalities is
small. A flash flood on the other hand is extremely
dangerous, and the survival rate of those carried along by
one, is low.
Even more dangerous are the mudflows. When thick
mountain soils become saturated with water, they may
flow away like porridge, similar to the lahars we see every
now and then from volcanoes. This has happened in
China in the last decades. Deforestation is what makes it
possible, and torrential rains—perhaps in combination
with earthquakes—are the triggers. Everything on the
valley bottom is obliterated, and the flows in China have
obtained depths of tens of metres. Massive boulders, the
size of houses, are moved along.
As if this was not enough, we have the tsunamis to
consider. Submarine earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, or
landslides, can set off long-period surface waves (many
minutes). When they reach land, they rise in height and
may reach far inland. Greece is very seismic, and events
such as the explosion of Thera (Santorini), probably in
1159 BC, will surely have wrecked havoc on all harbours
in the Eastern Mediterranean. That event was probably
the last big disaster before their conversation.
Incidentally, the Latin word “disaster” literally means
‘evil star’, while the Greek “catastrophe” literally means
‘down-bending’, ‘declination’. The English expression
“go under” means ‘cease to exist’ (the world, for
instance), though literally it just means ‘travel below’. It
appears that all these terms refer to collisions with heavenly
bodies. It is also apparent that much of the old
mythology—such as the Greek god Zeus, the Nordic god
Thor, and the Irish god Manannan—originally may have
dealt with these heavenly bodies. A lot of superstition
has obfuscated our ability to understand the old tales.
Since Phaëthon’s ride already then had the form of a
myth, it must refer to a meteorite that fell in the sea well
before (many centuries at the least, perhaps millennia)
the conversation in Sais. The Kaali crater on the Estonian
island Saaremaa (Swedish: Ösel) in the Baltic Sea, is
out of the question, since it has been dated to 800 – 400
BC. A possible date would be the meteorite that fell on,
and obliterated, a town on the Arabian Peninsula around
2,500 BC. We now know that meteorites may break apart
when entering the atmosphere, and fall down in many
pieces, just like a certain Columbia. A piece may have
fallen in the Aegean Sea, and brought evil destruction to
The conclusion is that the words by the Sais priest
were very sober and truthful so far. It is a bit comical,
though, to read that the Greeks are like children with no
long tradition, since they are now among the most historically
aware. You can buy Strabo in paperback on a
subway station of Athens, printed in both the original
and in Modern Greek (Strabo is the ”father of geography”
and lived over 2,000 years ago). While Greece is
now preserving the ancient memories, I suppose much
of the old Egyptian archives were destroyed with the
library of Alexandria. Plundering libraries and museums
has devastating effects for civilisation. Then again, perhaps
that is why some powers do it? May the verdict over
those in charge never die.
Enough said; let us not get tied up in the events of
our millennium, but transpose ourselves to classical
Athens, when Parthenon was fresh and new, and you
would have had to wait for almost two thousand years if
you would have ordered coffee at a local café. However,
as they say in Greece, if you want good coffee you must
In this coffee-free environment, you might have been
able to hear Plato recite the dialogue, telling you this:
Atlantis was an empire in the Atlantic Ocean, which
attacked—un-provoked, in a war of aggression—all of
Europe and Asia. In those days, ships could still sail the
Atlantic Ocean. Outside of the strait known to the
Greeks as the pillars of Heracles, there was an island,
bigger than Libya and Asia combined. It was also the
way to other islands, and from these one could pass to all
of the opposite continent that surrounded the true
ocean; because this sea that is within the Straits of
Heracles is just a harbour, with a small opening, but the
other is the real sea, and the surrounding land can in
truth be called a borderless continent.
On the island Atlantis there was an empire by the
same name, which had rule over the whole island and
several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore,
over parts of Libya within the columns of
Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as
Tyrrhenia. In a campaign of war, they tried to subdue
Athens, Sais, and the whole area inside the straits. In this
war, the Athenians alone stood their ground and defeated
the invaders. They thus saved the other peoples from
slavery, and liberated all who dwell within the pillars.
However, soon afterwards, violent earthquakes and
floods occurred, and in one single day and night all Athenians,
in a body, sank into the earth. The island Atlantis
disappeared in the same way in the sea. The sea on that
spot became impassable and impenetrable, since there
was a shoal of mud in the way, caused by the subsidence
of the island.
Those are the basic facts. It is already obvious that
there are elements in the story that are known to us
today, but that were not known to the Greeks in Plato’s
time — such as the fact that the Atlantic is a true ocean,
and that there is another continent on the other side:
America; or that there is a chain of islands between
them, which constitutes the easiest way for primitive
ships to get across. I am of course referring to the route
the Vikings took.
"My intention is to reign in a little the wildest ideas surrounding Atlantis. While speculation might be beneficial, it has to be based on facts. This book is not the end of the debate, but hopefully the beginning of a new era of more constructive debate. A forum is planned at lindorm.com/atlantis for that purpose, and the last chapter provides food for thought." Ulf Erlingsson
"Finally a scientist from Sweden has pinpointed the exact location of the mythical island of
Atlantis ... using classic scientific methodology."
The Irish Eyes, Sept 2004
Atlantis. A fairytale land, or a real place? Or both? This book presents an in-depth study on the geography of Atlantis, made by a scientist with a unique background in marine geology and disasters.
The goal was to establish, once and for all, if Plato invented Atlantis from thin air, or if he built on some existing tradition. We already know he added to it—Plato admitted so himself. The question is not if things were added, the question is if there are any geographic facts in the bottom, that might have been passed down from a pre-historic culture in the way that Plato claimed.
The author’s conclusion is that beyond reasonable doubt, Plato based the geographic description of Atlantis on Ireland.
Understanding Atlantis’ geography sheds light on archaeology, but it also puts our own culture in the spotlight: Why has it taken so long to discover something so obvious?
The presentation is based on a scientific analysis of Atlantis’ geography. The conclusion is that Plato’s description was based on the geography of Ireland. Using statistics, the author shows that the similarities are highly significant. In other words, it is extremely unlikely that it was by pure chance that Plato described Atlantis as being so similar to a real island. The result has the potential of drastically re-shaping our understanding of the European pre-history after the Ice Age.
About the Author
Ulf Erlingsson, Ph.D., is a geographer, geomorphologist, and expert in under-water mapping. He has been principal research engineer onboard the research vessel Akusta, and in 1991 he led a scientific expedition from Uppsala University to Surtsey, Iceland. Later that year he received the Linnæus Prize, given to explorers, from the Royal Society of Sciences in Uppsala, Sweden.
The Captured Ice Shelf-hypothesis, which explains several enigmas of the Ice Age, is his work. So is the decision support system that is being used for natural-hazard mitigation by the government of Nicaragua. Just after the end of the Cold War he worked as geographer in the Baltic Sea Environment program, televised live to 15 countries across the old Iron Curtain.
His quest for first-hand knowledge on geography has made him a scuba diver, a single-handed sailor, and a motorized paraglider pilot. His field research has taken him to Europe, Africa, Central America and the Caribbean. He has been chairman of the Geographic Society of Uppsala, CEO of Central Office for Environmental Planning, Inc., and partner in AB Hydroconsult.
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